We're a family of coffee lovers that have been using higher end Jura espresso machines for over 15 years but after the last Jura Z8 stopped working at 3 years and they wanted over $500 to fix it, we decided to try this less expensive 800 series with some cooler features from Bosch, an established brand name. I also want to say I have not been paid or given a free machine to review and here's our opinion after we’ve used for only a week . We'll need to see how it holds up over time so I’ll update in 6 months.PRO's vs JURA – There are MANY!- GREAT PRICE: Bought on prime day for $1299 which is almost 1/3 the price of a high-end Jura.- BETTER TASTING COFFEE USING LESS BEANS: Coffee is a lot stronger and better tasting than our Z8; not sure how they do this! So far, we're also using less beans. I think they do this double brewing which must save beans but doesn’t degrade the taste at all.- NICE BIG BRIGHT DIGITAL SCREEN: No comparison to the Jura (although I know Jura is starting to go with better screens on expensive higher end models). LOVE the digital Bosch screen and how you can easily personalize your favorites. One of my favorite features was reading what each type of international coffee was and seeing where they came from then trying them out. As an example, the Americano is nothing we’ve tasted before. The darker coffee-infused foam is so cool and very, very tasty! I used to always have to use sweeteners but finding that the taste of the coffee drink alone is good enough. I also love how they have cold brew options.- AVAILABLE APP: We’re a techie family, and to be honest, love anything with connectability. We haven’t tried a remote coffee yet, since we typically use milk, but like the option. The APP also has other yummy drinks. We can't wait to try the espresso martini. Still diving into what else the app offers but the cool thing is, updates could bring newer options and drinks. I’m sure Jura will get this soon if they don’t already have it, but probably on more expensive models.- NICE MILK TUBE: Having a place to hold your milk inlet tube on the machine is a nice touch (not on Jura). We decided not to get the model with the attached milk container since we are a family that uses different milk types: 1% milk, soy and almond, so didn’t make sense.- MECHANISM’S EASY ACCESSIBILITY: Love the ability to pull out the inside mechanisms for cleaning if needed. On Jura, it is very difficult to clean the inside. You can't even see the tampering piece which is one of the most important parts of the machine and what we think got clogged on our last jura.- GOOD SIZE: Same exact size as our Jura Z8 so fits perfectly in the space.- WARMING TRAY: Love the option (not on Jura), but not sure it keeps it that warm. We'll need to try this out more.- ADJUSTABLE SPOUT FOR TALLER GLASSES: Even though it states only 5-1/2 “ of space, fits tall glasses a little over 6”. This is about the same as Jura, so happy it was more than we expected.- A LOT OF SPACE IN WATER RESERVOIR: Same as Jura so that was nice.CON's vs JURA – Keeping in mind that many are due to the lower price point and not enough of a con to lower my star rating.- BOSCH IS NEW TO THIS MARKET: Although Bosch is a trusted brand name, they appear to be new in the high-end espresso machine market so only time will. Jura's customer service is excellent, so we'll have to see if Bosch's is as well.- INTERNAL & EXTERNAL PARTS ARE NOT AS HIGH END: Outside softer plastic covering could scratch easily. Bosch has softer plastics vs heavier plastic/metal pieces but that’s expected with such a big price difference. Time will tell if they hold up and how they look later.- WARRANTY NOT AS GOOD: Jura is 2 years vs Bosch’s 1 year.- SOME FEATURES NOT AUTOMATED: The hand selecting grind on top and having to submerse the filter yourself to get water inside before placement are not automated, but this is not that big of a deal since it’s a lesser price but wanted to mention it.- PULL OUT WASTEWATER TRAY IS SMALLER: Need to empty more often which is slightly annoying. However, it is nice that the bean tray doesn’t sit right on top of the water tray like Jura. That created issues on our Jura.- MILK ATTACHMENT KNOB MAY BE TOO FLIMSY: The knob on the machine for the milk inlet tube placement seems a little flimsy. We remove the tube and put back 3-4x a day so worried it could fail, but again, we’ll see.- BEAN CONTAINER A LITTLE AWKWARD AND SEEMS SMALLER: Even though the bean capacity stated larger than our Jura Z8, it seems smaller. Jura’s is much easier to fill without obstacles like a screen that comes all the way to the top like Bosch’s and odd small spaces on the side to fill, but we are working around that.- NOT AS MANY SENSORS AS JURA: doesn’t have all the bells and whistles with sensors, like when tops are off of the bean tray, drip tray and water reservoir, but I’m OK with this especially with the lower price tag.

I've owned several super-automatic espresso/coffee machines, and I’ve got to say—this Bosch 800 Series VeroCafe is one of the best, if not the best. The coffee quality is top-notch—smooth, rich, and full of flavor. Unlike many other super-automatics, this one actually lets you make a larger cup without sacrificing quality.The touch screen interface is incredibly easy to use, offering a variety of coffee and specialty drink recipes at your fingertips. One of my favorite features is the milk frothing system—it has a tube that pulls milk directly from your container, heats or froths it, and dispenses it right into your cup with zero hassle. Cleaning is a breeze, thanks to the machine’s step-by-step visual guides that walk you through maintenance effortlessly.And let’s talk about noise—Bosch clearly borrowed some engineering magic from their ultra-quiet dishwashers because this is hands-down the quietest super-automatic grinder machine I’ve ever owned.Overall, five stars—outstanding quality, easy operation, and fantastic coffee. Bosch does not disappoint! Highly recommended.

At this time, just a few days of use, too many coffee selections, loud grinder, hard to make a good, forget, great cup of coffee even using Peabody AA beans. This just might be a return.

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